18 October 2004 @ 08:18 pm
This is reasonable. Isn't it?  
I was just accused, not by the same guy but by a friend of his, of this:

And Shona and Mara, only to not sound one-sided, if you argued this privately, you should have opened that to the people participating. Rules exist to be followed, and if this was clearly stated, no argument would have followed. Rules for one are not rules at all.




As far as I knew there was no argument in private, and since I was one party
of this purported argument I think I would know. There was a discussion.
Most of which was held on the DarkXZ group, with only three or four emails
in private after the discussion began.

I've searched through my correspondance with him and forwarded to him the
only thing that bore any resemblence to what he claimed I said. He's chosen
to ignore that, that's his perogative.

Count this as an 'official response' if you like - as I said, there is no
organisation, there's just me. I never went back on anything I said. In the
rules for the awards I said that I reserved the right to move a story into a
different category if I felt that it was better suited to that cateogry.
That's it.

The Xander-centric fanfiction community is one of the most diverse I've come
across, and yet it's also one of the most argumentative, I'm tempted to say
bigoted on both sides. No one is going to make everyone who writes
Xander-centric fic happy. What I tried to do with the WKA, was to allow as
wide a diversity as possible. Slash, het, dark, light, comedy, angst.

For me to have said that any Xander/Spike story could not be nominated in
the characterisation category would have been ridiculously prejudiced of me.
I might as well have said I wouldn't accept any Xander/Faith stories in that
category, because after all would he really end up in a relationship with
someone who tried to rape and kill him?

I personally do not like Spike/Xander stories, however, the site was run on
popular vote. If a story was nominated in a category, I looked at it with as
objective an eye as possible to ensure it deserved to be in that category -
and all the fics nominated did deserve to be in the categories they were
in - and then opened it to the popular vote.

I didn't make any decisions once voting had started, I didn't vote, nor did
I nominate. The popular vote put a Spike/Xander fic in the winning spot for
best angst. The popular vote also put a Spike/Xander fic in the runner-up
spot for best characterisation.

The votes were not dominated by slash writers and readers, if anything it
was the exact opposite, and yet the popular vote recognised Spike/Xander
stories as being the best and second best of the nominees in those
categories.

I object to the fact that you think I made a rule for one and not for
others. I did no such thing.

Shona (aka Mara)
 
 
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[identity profile] liz-marcs.livejournal.com on October 18th, 2004 07:29 pm (UTC)
*applause*
I love you. Seriously.

Oh, are you still interested in my "Stalking the Fanon Xander" and the "Faith-Xander" shipper essay for I Need a Parrot?

I would be more than happy to forward both to you (they just need a little cleaning up). I think the "Fanon" one would be good for you to post right now.

And may I add...kick him again for me.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 18th, 2004 07:39 pm (UTC)
Re: *applause*
Thank you, I can't believe how much this guy is getting to me. I knew there would be arguments and complaints, I knew they would come from him, but he still got to me. Hopefully this will draw a line under it, I'm going off-line in a few minutes so that I don't answer any responses in haste and regret it later. Especially since I've got a pair of steel-toe-cap construction boots in the next room and I'm not averse to doing a bit of kicking!

I would love to have 'Fanon' and the 'Faith-Xander' essay for INAP, as you say, 'Fanon' would be just the perfect thing right now!
[identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com on October 18th, 2004 08:14 pm (UTC)
It sounds entirely reasonable, as I have no doubt you have been all along. I'm sorry this idiot is getting to you so much. *hugs*("Anyone else want to punch that guy" *raises hand*)

I guess when you organise something as big as this, where feelings run so high, there's bound to be one or two malcontents who start abusing the ref, however fair and reasonable you are. It doesn't make such behaviour any less disgraceful though, or any less upsetting.

*hugs again*
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 07:46 am (UTC)
Thanks Sam, I've had time to reflect on it all now and I feel a lot calmer about it. I still believe I'm in the right and that his behaviour has been shocking, but I know myself that feelings were running really high.

I just have to look at all the emails of support I've gotten for the site, all the comments you guys have left on this journal, and all the "Yay I won!" emails on the groups - when I see how happy they all are, it makes me happy.

Silly to let one malcontent ruin that really.
[identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 09:41 am (UTC)
At-a-girl, Sho!
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC)
*grin*

now maybe I can get that challenge fic written... deadline's tomorrow isn't it?

Gah!
[identity profile] angel-eod.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 11:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, might just have to extend that to the end of the month... I've got a plan for mine now. Except the large wild animal. It was a large wild animal wasn't it? Otherwise, all mapped out. Just got to right the thing.

And I seem to be logged in as Angel. Oh well.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 11:12 am (UTC)
Angel! What are you doing posting on my journal?!

*grin*

yup, large wild animal which in my fic isn't really the problem. My problem is the demon/vamp/Big Bad - I had an idea for who to use but I don't think it'll work really. Ah well.

BTW, since you're in EOD mode... Andy and I are going to finish the scene that was so rudely interrupted on Sunday tomorrow night. Xander will be heading back to the hotel at some point, there's something he forgot. We should really get a Xander/Angel scene organised soon!
[identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com on October 18th, 2004 08:29 pm (UTC)
This whole thing has spun wildly out of control and it is tragic that you are at the center of this tempest in a chamber pot! I think what you've tried to do with your awards is MARVELOUS and I cannot believe how much flak you've gotten for it! If I ever meet these idiots who persecute you, my knee is going straight for their...you get the picture!


Gabrielle
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 07:47 am (UTC)
Thanks Gabrielle - it really is just coming from one person and his supporters. I've made the decision not to let him get to me any longer, he and I are never going to agree on this and if I let him plague me I'll never be rid of him.
[identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 03:54 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you are rising above this! I am proud of you!


Gabrielle
[identity profile] ex-claudia69504.livejournal.com on October 18th, 2004 09:58 pm (UTC)
I'm at school and haven't tons of time...so this will be quick.

That blows, really. Like I said in Andy's post. He's an a**. You are doing a great service to writer's everywhere. And you should be recognized for that, not bombarded with lie's, half-truth's, and this complete bullsh*t.

I don't know what he expected from the Xander-centric fic..but if he doesn't know Spike/Xander pairing has run rampant, then he's utterly clueless and really needs to buy a vowel.

And damn, this is making no sense. lol I hope it makes more sense on your side. I just wanted to let you know that you have my full support. Completely.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 07:49 am (UTC)
Thanks Missy!

It now seems the whole thing stemmed from a misunderstanding on his part (as I knew it was from the beginning) and his reaction to what he saw as a betrayal.

I'm not excusing what he did, I never can - he made me feel threatened, he reduced me to tears. His behaviour was shocking, but I can't let him bug me - if I did then I'd never get anything done.
[identity profile] hpchick.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 02:51 am (UTC)
I really appreciate all the hardwork you have put into INAP and the WKA. It's nice to have a site that is tolerant of all Xander-shaped fic.

I hope this incident won't discourage you too much.

*hugs you*

Thanks for all your work.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 07:53 am (UTC)
*hugs you right back*!

I will admit there have been moments when I've thought of jacking it all in, of just standing back and saying screw it. They were just passing moments. This whole thing has actually made me more determined then ever to promote INAP, to run WKA again, to get the new FX archive up and running, to do as much as I possibly can to not let him (and other nay-sayers) win.

Thank you once again for all your support and suggestions for the site(s).
[identity profile] keith5by5.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 08:21 am (UTC)
Keep This Simple
3d's a dickhead.

You're not.

Don't let him to get to you.

And INAP's the best most professional and inclusive Xander website out there.

Keith
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 09:04 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
Thank you.

Again.

I seem to say that a lot these days don't I?
[identity profile] keith5by5.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 09:06 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
You're welcome.

You'll be getting my complaint about all the awards I didn't win soon (I'm busy going through the German, Italian, and Spanish dictorianies for extra swear words).

Grins.

Keith
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 09:19 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
Ah, two of the languages I'm fluent in and one I have a working knowledge of...

Have I mentioned I'm a bit of a linguist?

That, on top of the fact that I'm a librarian - maybe I should just call myself the She-Giles.
[identity profile] keith5by5.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 09:21 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
Oooh, I want you to see you bring your version of Ripper out on me!

Yum, yum.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 09:24 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
LOL

On a car, twice.

*grin*
[identity profile] keith5by5.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 11:08 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
only 2*, now I'm disappointed.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on October 19th, 2004 11:13 am (UTC)
Re: Keep This Simple
ah but that was just what you might like to think of as a teaser....