07 April 2005 @ 08:52 am
White Knight Awards #2 ideas and a plea (or two)  
So here is the promised post on Round Two of the White Knight Awards. I really did mean to post this last night but time (and leather bodices) got away from me! Anyway, the main crux of the matter is this - I have not given up on the awards site and it has in fact been bubbling away in my subconscious since the last time. Round one was fairly stressful for me - as anyone who saw me in the staff room at lunchtime tallying up the screeds of votes will tell you - and I've been working on ways to make it less so this time around. The wonderful [livejournal.com profile] engelsteorra has offered to help me out with a means of tallying the votes automatically which will remove a whole lot of the stress and make this enjoyable for me again. 'Cause after all, that's why I do all this in the first place, because I enjoy it.

Some of you will remember from last time around I was considering changing from a popular vote to a judges decision. I was never completely happy with that idea (hell I was brought up by a Marxist, of course I'm going to sit in favour of the voice of the people wherever possible! *g*) so what I've done is take the suggestions made by lots of you and am proposing to implement a kind of screening process where necessary. I'm putting a cap on the number of nominations per category - I'm thinking around 10 or 15 maximum - and if the number of nominations goes over that judges will be asked to narrow the field down to that number. Here's my proposed new set of rules:

1. You cannot nominate yourself (nor can you vote for yourself)
2. Only one nomination per author will be allowed in each category
3. Authors nominated in the ‘New Author’ category last round are ineligible for that category this round.
4. Ship categories will be created as and when enough fics are nominated in that category (4) The remaining ship fics will be divided into het and slash
5. Working public links to the actual story must be provided – not just to an archive site’s home page.
6. Best site nominations must be Xander sites – ff.net TTH and other general sites are ineligible, as are sites devoted to another character. Shipper sites and personal sites are fine so long as Xander is the primary focus.
7. There will be a limit to the number of fics and authors per category (15) – if the number of nominations exceeds this, fics will be included based on the following criteria:
- Relevance to category
- Presentation (including Spelling/Grammar)
- Characterization
Judges for this will be drawn from a broad spectrum of the fan community and those who are themselves authors will not be asked to judge a category they are likely to be nominated in. The final winner will be decided by popular vote.
8. Het, Slash and Gen are acceptable in all categories unless otherwise stated.

Does that sound like a reasonable compromise between judging and voting? Hopefully by doing this the quality of nominations will be much higher (I'm not in any way saying the fics nominated last time round were poor but to be honest there were some I was... surprised to see nominated (putting it politely))

The next thing is a plea. I'm looking for volunteers to act as judges for the screening process. I'm hoping to open nominations this weekend and those will run for three weeks until the 2nd May (a Monday) so you wouldn't have to do anything until the first week (possibly the first fortnight) of next month. Some of you did volunteerafter the last round for which I'm eternally grateful, but are you still willing to do it and does this timing suit you?

The second plea is - are there any categories (outside of ship ones) you would like to see added this time around? (Or removed?) Last years nominees are here to give you an idea of the categories we had. [livejournal.com profile] hpchick already gave me a few ideas last year ( including Dark which I know I had on my notepad to include first time round but somehow never made it to the site *headdesk*)

So.. um, that's it. If you'd rather not leave a comment here then feel free to email me about it. Thanks!
 
 
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[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC)
I'm up for judging. Definately include Dark this time round, maybe include best Slash Author as well in the Overall Category.

Andy
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:26 am (UTC)
If I have a best Slash author category then I also have to have a best het category, and potentially a best gen/no pairing author cateogory. So that would be five best authors.

(thanks btw!)
[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:28 am (UTC)
Not really, SoGA only has Best New, Most Outstanding and Best Slash authors, so it's not infeasable for you to only those three as well. It's just an idea though.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:32 am (UTC)
Trust me, in the Xander-fic community? If I seem to even slightly favour slash over het I'll be jumped on like a baby gazelle facing a pack of lions.

*g*
[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:35 am (UTC)
And we don't want a repeat of last year. *grrsss at the stupidity of some people*
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:39 am (UTC)
Hence me trying to build everything into the rules from the start. *g*
[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:43 am (UTC)
Well, I thought the rules were very clear last year, just one person took exception to a Spike/Xander story winning a category because of their own personal (however misguided in my opinion) views.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 01:52 am (UTC)
As he pointed out, it wasn't the slash element that put him off, rather it was the fact that he considered pairing Xander with a vampire (of any gender) was extremely OOC. I tried to point out that it was the 'Angst' category and in the story that very fact was the source of the angst but he was set in his ways. He's already made it be known that he won't accept any nominations he recieves in round two which is fair enough I suppose.
[identity profile] shannon730.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 11:23 am (UTC)
I agree, someone will complain about it. I get many complaints, I just don't care anymore. 3 years has made me very bitter about complaints. I also get them about too many Spuffy, too many Spander, too many Buffy/Giles... Never occurs to any of these people that if they WANT fics with a differnt pairing to NOMINATE them. My only pairing restriction is incest.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:19 am (UTC)
I've witnessed so many flame wars in the Xander fic community that I try to build in as many failsafes for myself as possible. I thought I'd covered every base last time around but then this one person still went off on one over the fact I allowed a pairing featuring Xander and a vampire. (In the particular case it was a Spander story but he said the reaction would have been the same for Darla or Drusilla or any other vampire). That one I never saw coming at all.

But I agree completely - people complain that there's a dominance of a certain type of fic but they never seem to think to nominate an alternative. *sigh*
[identity profile] shannon730.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 08:33 am (UTC)
Xander/Vampire? Isn't that a very common pairing and hard to avoid?

Of course, I don't look at awards sites trying to find a complaint. Someone will always find that one rule you didn't make. I had to actually add a beastility rule a couple rounds ago. Really, who could've forseen that being necessary?
[identity profile] dragonydreams.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 05:53 am (UTC)
I think your new rules sound good. [livejournal.com profile] shannon730 at SoGA has been talking about similar issues at her LJ for the past week because her categories were way too big this past round. I, personally, like the popular vote thing. I'm way to controlling to rely on judges doing their jobs and trusting that they'll get back to you on time. (A problem both Shannon and Missy have had.)

Elisabeth

P.S. I finally got to look at the sites you sent me and found some good Xander pics at Chosen Two.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:22 am (UTC)
The problems Missy and Shannon have had with judges not delivering this time round is part of the reason I'm moving away from making the judges decision final. Plus, I'm still keen on the popular vote because there's a chance more people will be involved that way. Might be imagining that though!

Glad you found some useful pics - I have hundreds (literally) saved on my home PC but most of them came from (or are now on) those sites - you might also want to have a look at [livejournal.com profile] brendon_daily if there's any more you need.
[identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 05:54 am (UTC)
Depending on the variety of Marxism, you could easily combine the two. You choose a few select individuals in the fandom, carefully screened for ideological purity and dedication to Xanderism, who will form the Vanguard, and who will speak for the People. By dint of the soundness of their 'line', they will automatically know what the People think, or at least what they would think if they weren't affected by false consciousness promoted by the evil Spikeist media.

This will all work swimmingly, at least until you have your first split (probably in about a couple of days); but that's OK - the Splitters will go and form the White Knight Awards Continuation Front, and you can continue to uphold true Xanderism.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:23 am (UTC)
*snort*

That's just too funny for words Sam!

or at least what they would think if they weren't affected by false consciousness promoted by the evil Spikeist media.

Class!
[identity profile] dimlondeiel.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 06:25 am (UTC)
The rules seem sensible to me :)
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The rules seem sensible to me :)
<trying very hard not to look at an TWW spoilers from last night's finale>
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:23 am (UTC)
Thanks Laura! Did you manage to avoid the spoilers?
[identity profile] dimlondeiel.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 05:16 am (UTC)
I stupidly looked at one but have now seen the episode so I can look without fear *g*
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[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:26 am (UTC)
Yes.

*g*

(sorry, I'm highly caffeinated this morning and making no sense at all!)

What I mean is, if an author is nominated for more than one fic per category I'll get in touch with them and ask which they'd prefer to go forward for voting.

And I toyed with the idea of ruling out previous winners but hadn't completely come to a decision about it. Seeing someone else with the same opinion as my own has made my mind up - that will be added to the rules.

Thanks!
[identity profile] shannon730.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 11:27 am (UTC)
I've done both popular vote and judging and both have serious drawbacks. Judging does take a lot more time though, unless you know enough people that you can count on that will judge.

What kind of screening are you looking for? I may be able to help if you don't get enough people.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:30 am (UTC)
The screening probably wouldn't be all that much to be honest - the bigger categories seem to be the overall ones and if I split the author one into slash/het/gen then that should cut that down a lot. Basically what I'd be looking for are people to grade the fics in terms of relevance first of all, presentation second (how easy it is to read in terms of spelling/grammar/structure) and characterisation.
[identity profile] shannon730.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 05:05 pm (UTC)
I'd be willing to help out if you still need it then. Actually decided to use that same idea for SoGA too.
[identity profile] smhwpf.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 11:33 am (UTC)
On a slightly more useful note, I would be happy to help judge. I'm not a Xander-centred author, but I read a fair amount of Xander-centred fic, so I imagine I'd be up to the task of weeding out the rubbish. But I'd understand if you wanted specifically Xander-centred judges!
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:31 am (UTC)
You're actually probably perfect for the task Sam, especially since you don't write Xander centric fic you're not likely to be discounted from any category. Thanks!

(and on a side note, I'd completely forgotten about that icon - may have to bring that back into my own rotation!)
[identity profile] hpchick.livejournal.com on April 7th, 2005 09:12 pm (UTC)
I'll judge if you still need people.

I forget what categories I recommended before, but here are a few ideas:

Wishverse/VampXander Fic

Best Xanderspeak (Best Xandery Dialog)

Post-Chosen

Africa Xander

High School Xander

Best Cliche Xander Fic(Could be one category or several separate ones)- Xander wore a Different Costume on Halloween Fic, Xander's Real Father Fic, Boomstick/Action Xander Fic, Xander's dad beats him and (Buffy, Willow, Giles, Spike, etc) takes care of him Fic

AU/Episode Re-write

Just Xander- Character Study, No Pairing, No Cross-over

Best Use of Xander in an Ensemble Fic or Virtual Series- May not be Xander-centric, but he is one of the main players.

Best Short Fic- Maybe less than a certain number of words or parts.

Best Epic- Really long fics go here.

[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on April 8th, 2005 12:33 am (UTC)
Thank you!

Those are actually the same categories you suggested last time plus more - I especially love the cliche and ensemble ones. And to think I was going to cut down the categories... *g*