07 September 2005 @ 02:28 pm
*Egyptology headdesk*  
I have to stop watching documentaries about Egyptology.

Akhenaten. The Heretic. This guy tried to overturn the entire history of Egypt by turning society into a mono-theistic religion. Aten, the sun god, became the *only* god in Akhenaten's lifetime. The Armarna Heresy failed after he died, but he's gone down in history because of it. Current theory is that he was deformed in some way - perhaps as a result of a congenital disease which is still around today. (I forget what it's called but one of the primary indicators is overly elongated digits - fingers and toes.) He was excluded from his father's court because of this but with the death of his brother he took the title of Pharaoh after his father's death.

Nefertiti. His wife. Known as the most beautiful woman in Egyptology - yes, more so than Cleopatra (who was actually pretty plain looking, it was the later woman's incredible intelligence which won her the influence she had). She was the daughter of non-Egyptian commoners and may have actually taken the title of Pharaoh after her husband's death (there is a lot of evidence that Pharaoh Smenkhare is actually Nefertiti).

The Sun Pharaoh - currently being shown on Discovery Civilisation - is making the claim that theirs was an incestuous marriage. That they were brother and sister.

*headdesk*

And if they say "Akhenathen" once more I think I might scream. He renamed himself when he set up his new city at Armarna - his name means "Aten is all powerful" Aten as in Akhenaten

ETA Yay! Dr Hawas has just been on and is very cleary saying Akhenaten rather than -athen. (Zawi Hawas is head of the Egyptian Department of Antiquities - forget Bob Bryer, this guy is the ultimate expert.)
 
 
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[identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 07:17 am (UTC)
I feel much as you do when people go off half-cocked about my pet subjects. If I hear about Lucrezia Borgia being a vicious poisoner one more flippin' time...


Gabrielle
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 07:36 am (UTC)
The programme could have been really interesting and possibly presented an alternate reading of the texts that have survived, maybe even have sparked off some new research in the field. If it had bothered to get his name right.

I think that's what bothered me most of all - the fact they insisted on adding that 'h' where there was no 'h' annoyed me more than I can say. His name was originally Amenhoptep (named after his father Amenhoptep III) but he changed it specifically to honour his chosen god - Aten. The fact the narrator and the (mostly german) experts ignored that just... annoyed me a lot. :)
[identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 07:38 am (UTC)
I see your point. Because the mispronunciation is more than just a glitch. It does violence to historical fact by aurally removing the name from its context as a tribute to the man's chosen god.


Gabrielle
[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 07:45 am (UTC)
It's amazing the assumptions people come up with because of a lack of research. I've caught one or two programmes on Discovery about Akhenaten (I like history but have never studied Egypt at all so don't know that much), and all of them have said that his wife was the daughter of non-egyptian commoners so how this programme could claim they're brother and sister is beyond me.
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 08:04 am (UTC)
If they'd backed it up a little it might have been a valid theory, but the implication I got was that they were using it as an explanation for why the very few surviving images of him show him as being deformed. So not only did they get their Egyptology wrong but they also got their biology wrong as well - in-breeding may have been the cause of his deformity but it would have his parents that were siblings causing that rather than him.
[identity profile] rileysaplank.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 08:08 am (UTC)
but the implication I got was that they were using it as an explanation for why the very few surviving images of him show him as being deformed.

*headdesk*
ext_14447: butterfly (Credit: rubyfirefly)[identity profile] aaronlisa.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 08:46 am (UTC)
The problem is that even if there was no sibling relationship between the married couple, they would have refered to one another as brother & sister. Part of it is the tradition of Egyptian kings marrying their sisters to preserve their clain to the throne. And I've read some Ancient Egyptian love poems and there's this one poem where the woman laments the loss of her lover whom she calls her beloved brother (or something like that). So that on it's own complicates the relationship. From what I understand and have read on my own, is that they were most likely first cousins through Akhenaten's mother.
ext_14447: bellaobsession (credit: prfctnstfreak)[identity profile] aaronlisa.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 08:42 am (UTC)
I think the problem is that there's not one set translation/pronounciation for Ancient Egyptian.
I've seen texts from the same era have different spellings for gods like Amun (I've seen Amon, Amun & Amen for that one god.) Same with some of the lesser known Pharohs and the spellings of their names.

it sounds interesting especial the idea that Nefertiti was possibly the same person as Smenkhere.
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[identity profile] nwhepcat.livejournal.com on September 7th, 2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
Hmm, was it Marfan's Syndrome that he had? He would've probably died young.

You would've enjoyed the Quest for Immortality exhibit, which reproduced an actual tomb with the whole series of writings which describes the journey to the underworld. Or you might've found annoyingly wrong details. :)

There was a lovely carved Amenhoptep in the exhibit, depicted as a scribe. It was one of my favorite things. Was III the architect?
[identity profile] whiskyinmind.livejournal.com on September 9th, 2005 12:28 am (UTC)
Marfan's - that's it! Thanks, that was going to bug me for a while until I found it again!

That sounds like an amazing exhibit - wish I could have seen it! And yup, I believe III was the architect - he was definitely responsible for the complete re-building of the Karnak complex anyway.